223. Information Memorandum From the Special Advisor to the President and Secretary of State on Arms Control Matters (Nitze) to Secretary of State Shultz1
SUBJECT
- START/Defense and Space Discussion at JCS
Allen Holmes and I had lunch November 2 with General Herres, General Riscassi, and Admiral Howe. During the luncheon we discussed a number of issues, most of them regarding START and Defense and Space.
With respect to START, I described the discussion some of us had had on Friday2 morning with Karpov. On the subject of the 4800 ceiling, Karpov had said the only flexibility in the Soviet proposal was within the limits they had suggested for each of the three legs. I had pointed out that their suggested limits demonstrated that they would have no difficulty living within our 4800 ceiling. Karpov had said that that was not so. Such a ceiling would force them to have 1200 long-range ALCMs and bomber weapons as counted by the agreed counting rule. They had no need for more than 800–900 and would wish neither to build up to 1200 or forego part of the 6000 limit.
I suggested at the luncheon that there might be a way around this difficulty. The most general approach to a solution would be to insist on only the ICBM limit of 3300 with sublimits within the 3300 for heavy missile RVs and for RVs on mobile missiles, if permitted. Such a solution would permit full freedom to mix amongst bomber weapons and SLBMs with respect to any excess over the number of permitted ICBM RVs either side desired to deploy. Herres took a negative view of such an option because it would permit the Soviets to have up to 2700 SLBMs if they gave up their heavy bomber force. He did, however, believe that a ceiling of 5000 on SLBM plus ICBM RVs would be acceptable to the Chiefs. Riscassi agreed.
We also discussed the question of the list and thresholds. Riscassi confirmed that he had undertaken a study of this subject within the Joint Staff. Herres was doubtful as to the wisdom of getting into this subject. He repeated his position that he would favor a 10-year commitment not to withdraw from the Treaty without any clarification of the [Page 948] Treaty’s limits on testing provided one could thereby buy the START reductions. I asked whether it would not be better if we could find limits on testing in space with which we could live. He thought this problem could be handled by defining what one meant by deployment. He suggested three criteria governing deployment in space. One was the number of test objects one could have in orbit simultaneously. The second was the angle of the orbital plane with reference to a plane running through the equator. Any angle below 35 degrees would make it impossible for the orbiting object to pass over the USSR. However, the USSR was so far north that such a plane could not be directly entered from a launching base within the USSR. We agreed, however, that with some expenditure of fuel, the Soviets could place satellites within the prescribed orbit. Herres and I also agreed, however, that having a test vehicle orbit over one’s country was not really a serious problem if the number of such devices was limited, say, to no more than six. The third criterion he mentioned was the length of time any such device could be left in orbit.
My final impression was that Herres, Riscassi and Howe were interested in a serious exploration of the list and threshold idea as being potentially better for the SDI research program than leaving the determination of what tests are to be funded up to the Congress.
Subsequent to this meeting, I have given some more thought to how we might move forward on START sublimits. I believe we should pick up on Herres’ idea of raising our 4800 sublimit to 5000. This approach has the advantage of partially accommodating the Soviet concern while keeping the basic structure of our position intact and using the original number proposed by the President in 1982. It would be supported by JCS and Ron Lehman. A paper addressing next steps in START in more detail is attached.
- Source: Department of State, Department of State, S/S-I Files: Lot 92D52, Super-Sensitive Nov. 1–16 (1987). Secret; Sensitive.↩
- See Document 221.↩
- Secret.↩