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Memorandum by the Assistant Secretary of State (Johnson)
The Chinese Minister called today. I told him I had read with interest his comments upon my proposal that one method for accustoming the peoples of our two countries to the change that was proposed would be for the two countries to agree to the enforcement of Chinese law through the instrumentality of American courts in China. I stated that I regretted that he seemed to think that this was impossible; that I for my part did not feel that it was as impossible as he stated.
[Page 652]The Minister stated that he felt his arguments were quite conclusive. He referred to the fact that the time was getting short and that we had made little progress and to the fact that the Secretary had stated that he hoped we would find some basis for an understanding, and stated that although he had had no proposals to make in the beginning, he now had a proposal which he would like to offer me and he then read the attached memorandum to me, which he asked me to consider. I told him I would give it every consideration and try to give him my comments on it later.
I pointed out to him that there seemed to be some inconsistency between the first and second paragraphs as the first paragraph placed all American nationals in China under the jurisdiction of Chinese laws and courts after January 1, 1930, while the second paragraph provided for the establishment of certain special courts at Canton, Hankow, Shanghai, Tientsin and Harbin. I asked him what the purpose of these special courts was. He said his proposal was based on a proposal that had been made by the Dutch Minister at Peking. He said his idea was that the special courts at these places would have jurisdiction in those special places, that he had not considered that it was necessary to make similar provision in the other ports or in ports voluntarily opened for trade.
I remarked further that in the paragraph providing for a twenty four-hour period within which suspected individuals should be handed over for investigation, that this seemed to apply to the special court area and not to other places in China. The Minister said he believed the law was universal in China. I said I did not think so as it had not been the case for those arrested in connection with the raid on the Soviet Consulate at Harbin.40 They had been held for a considerable time before they were told of the charges against them or given an opportunity to prepare their case.
The Minister stated that he felt that paragraph 7 represented a great concession as it permitted the trial outside of China of cases between Americans and guaranteed the execution of the decisions of such trials in China.
The Minister was very much pleased with the idea of legal advisers rather than foreign judges in these courts, pointing out that the legal advisers would have a very real function to perform, whereas a foreign judge in the Chinese court would be a minority of one in a group and in case he was overruled, would have no record of his opinion.
I told the Minister I would give consideration to his proposals and let him know our attitude later.