Foreign Relations of the United States, 1958–1960, Western Europe, Volume VII, Part 2

340. Memorandum of Conversation⁰

USDel/MC 15

Copenhagen, May 4, 1958, 5:15 p.m.

UNITED STATES DELEGATION TO THE 21ST MINISTERIAL MEETING OF THE NORTH ATLANTIC COUNCIL¹

Copenhagen, Denmark, May 5–7, 1958

PARTICIPANTS

• United States
  • The Secretary
  • Ambassador Burgess
  • Mr. Reinhardt
  • Mr. Elbrick
  • Mr. Porter
• United Kingdom
  • Mr. Selwyn Lloyd
  • Sir Frank Roberts
  • Sir Anthony Rumbold
  • Sir Roderick Barclay
  • Mr. Denis Laskey

SUBJECT

• Support Costs for UK Forces in Germany

1. Lloyd referred to the recent agreement between the UK and Germany on support costs and to an addendum to that agreement made by the German Defense Minister Strauss.² Strauss had inserted a condition in the agreement which stipulated that there would be no reduction in British Forces in Germany without a corresponding increase in combat efficiency. Lloyd said that the British would be able to maintain their forces at the 55,000 man level through the present calendar year. In 1959 these forces would have to be reduced to 45,000 men unless NATO could find the money to finance the difference of 10,000 men. In 1960 the total would have to be reduced to 45,000 men in any case, unless conditions permitted the reduction of forces in other areas where the U.K. had commitments, or unless British forces elsewhere could be counted as part of the NATO force. On the other hand, it would be possible to maintain a level of 45,000 men in Germany indefinitely and by 1960 combat efficiency will have increased to the point where it would more than balance the reduction in actual numbers.

2. Mr. Burgess inquired particularly whether the British planned to delay asking permission from NATO and WEU to reduce their forces until nearer to the time when the reduction would take place. Lloyd replied that they would delay if they saw that funds were available for the year 1959. Lloyd referred to Secretary McElroy’s recent conversation with Sandys in Paris³ and his suggestion regarding the possible additional financing. The British Government would be interested in knowing whether there was any possibility of working something out along these lines. If there is not, the Government will be obliged to make a statement in July regarding the ultimate reduction of forces to 45,000 men.⁴

0. Source: Department of State, Secretary’s Memoranda of Conversation: Lot 64 D 199. Secret. Drafted by Elbrick. The meeting was held at the British Embassy residence.
1. For documentation on this meeting, see Part 1, Documents 136 ff.
2. On May 29, the Governments of the United Kingdom and the Federal Republic of Germany reached an agreement on the question of German payments to the United Kingdom to help meet the costs of maintaining British forces in Germany over the next 3 years. For text of a British statement regarding this subject, May 29, see R.I.I.A., Documents, 1958, p. 359.
3. Apparent reference to private meetings between the two men at the Conference of Defense Ministers of the NATO countries in Paris April 15–17. Records of talks between McElroy and Sandys have not been found in Department of State files. For documentation on the Defense Ministers Conference, see Part 1, Documents 131 ff.
4. On May 7, Dulles and Lloyd again discussed support costs for British forces stationed in Germany. For text of the memorandum of conversation, see Part 1, Document 147.