305. Memorandum of Conversation1
PARTICIPANTS
- Walter Scheel, President of the Federal Republic of Germany
- Hans-Dietrich Genscher, Vice Chancellor and Minister of Foreign Affairs of the FRG
- Ambassador Berndt von Staden, FRG Ambassador to the U.S.
- Paul Frank, State Secretary, Director of President’s Office
- Dr. Heinz Weber, Foreign Ministry (interpreter)
- President Ford
- Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State and Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs
- Ambassador Martin Hillenbrand, U.S. Ambasador to the FRG
- Lt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs
[Omitted here is discussion of matters other than the European security conference or MBFR.]
President: What do you foresee about CSCE? Are the compromises going to permit progress, Mr. Foreign Minister?
Genscher: I hear from Kissinger there is a good prospect of agreement on the 300-kilometer line in CBM’s.
Kissinger: No, I said we would support it. I don’t know about the Soviet Union.
Genscher: That is the most important thing for us. Then there is the question of reserved rights2 and how the French will stand. That is important to me for Berlin.
President: Will the Russians hold fast for follow-on machinery?
Kissinger: Ceausescu argued here for it.3 We are not interested and neither are the Soviets.
Genscher: I don’t think the Russians will make much of it. They will probably agree to consultations in 1977.
Kissinger: The Soviets are now going in the other direction—Gromyko even suggested four years.
Scheel: If not July, then will it meet in September?
Kissinger: Probably October if not July—the elections are in September.
[Page 876]Genscher: The Finns require four weeks to prepare.
Kissinger: We are trying to stay a half step behind Europe. We are not pushing for July.
Scheel: I didn’t see any real push from the Soviet Union.
Kissinger: I have the impression they want it in July. Their planning seems geared to that. Since 300 kilometers are the only issue, they could resolve it tomorrow if they wanted.
Genscher: I think they have one fixed date—the Party Conference in early ‘76. Three months after CSCE they want a summit meeting of Communist leaders to prepare for the Party Congress.
Scheel: Isn’t it in our interest to facilitate their Congress, because this is a basic policy determination for them—whether or not to continue détente?
Kissinger: Yes. I think that is why a successful CSCE and SALT have symbolic importance.
[Omitted here is discussion of matters other than the European security conference or MBFR.]
- Source: National Archives, RG 59, Records of the Office of the Counselor, Entry 5339, Box 5, Germany, 1975. Secret; Nodis. The meeting took place in the Oval Office.↩
- A reference to quadripartite rights and responsibilities; see Document 304.↩
- See Document 299.↩